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Post by wannabee_snail » 02 Apr 2004, 20:57

i like a bit of opeth everynow and agen

also, cheers tom u have made me fall in love with the word "plethera" agen :))
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Post by Dannnn » 03 Apr 2004, 00:50

Originally posted by wannabee_snail
i like a bit of opeth everynow and agen


:thumb: Bleak is an amazing song.
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Post by Josh (Sylosis) » 03 Apr 2004, 13:19

whos seen the morbid angel vid for enshrined by grace???
I havent, but the pictures i've seen from the shoot look cool....FIIIIRREEE

thomson...is that beef and chicken i smell on a sizzling bbq? :hubba:

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Post by Dannnn » 03 Apr 2004, 14:11

I haven't seen it yet :(.
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Post by wannabee_snail » 03 Apr 2004, 20:11

Originally posted by BrennuvargR
Originally posted by wannabee_snail
i like a bit of opeth everynow and agen


:thumb: Bleak is an amazing song.

drapery falls in my personal favourtie, but i've only heard three or four songs

any advice on sum to download?
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Post by Josh (Sylosis) » 04 Apr 2004, 01:55

'Masters Aprentice' 8)

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Post by Dannnn » 04 Apr 2004, 02:02

Originally posted by wannabee_snail
Originally posted by BrennuvargR
Originally posted by wannabee_snail
i like a bit of opeth everynow and agen


:thumb: Bleak is an amazing song.

drapery falls in my personal favourtie, but i've only heard three or four songs

any advice on sum to download?


Ah yeah, I have Drapery Falls on live video. You should download the whole of Blackwater Park, namely the song 'Bleak' :D.
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Post by garymcnally » 22 Apr 2004, 12:29

Having a small little avatar of yourself was one thing, but a huge picture of you holding what I think looks like a full-tang eastern sword is just...wrong!
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Post by Dannnn » 22 Apr 2004, 13:15

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Post by metal_dave » 20 May 2004, 00:48

Originally posted by BrennuvargR
OK, this is going to take me a while to write this, so I apologize for any mistakes; I'll correct them if I find any. Here it goes.....

Thrash Metal: Fuck, I don't know how to start out....

Guitars: Riffing is basically palm-muted most of the way through each song. The songs typically follow the simple verse-chorus-verse etc effect (simplicity is effective in the case of Thrash though, very few bands get away with making epic songs [only a few like METALLICA, ANNIHILATOR etc).

Guitar solo's are usually done at a hyper-speed pace and rather technically, whereas some bands like METALLICA tend to (or atleast used to..) write out tuneful solo's, instead of the brutal ones performed by bands like Slayer et al.

Vocals: Usually shouted, though some bands sing and occasionally use the typical Heavy Metal falsetto..

Lyrics: Tend to be about war, death, violence and Metal (haha)! Some Thrash bands like ANTHRAX for instance, incorporate influences from the early Hardcore scenes (note: ANTHRAX'S image and songs like Caught in a Mosh).

Drumming: Drumming in Thrash typically uses alot of doublebass really. Blastbeats aren't particularly common in this form of Metal..

Thrash Metal Bands: Slayer, Metallica, Annihilator, Death Angel, Dark Angel, Exodus, Nuclear Assault, Overkill, Kreator, Sodom, Destruction etc.

Death Metal (I'll mostly be explaining the typical 'American' form of Death Metal as opposed to the Swedish form):

Guitars: Guitars are usually downtuned and most of the time the riffs in each song are tremelo picked with some slow sections of palm muted parts (not to be confused with the Hardcore beatdown). Solo's are basically the same as Thrash (see above)..

Vocals: Usually growled (aka toilet bowls/cookie monster vocals..), but sometimes screamed (aka DEATH, OBITUARY and all of the Swedish bands etc). Rarely will you hear any form of clean vocals in Death Metal...

Lyrics: Tend to be about death, gore and violence, though alot of the Swedish Melodic Death bands sing about world issues, humanity etc.

Drumming: Blastbeats galore! Some of the bands playing the earlier style Death Metal (MASSACRE, for example) tend to use Thrash drumbeats as opposed to blastbeats.

Death Metal bands: Cannibal Corpse, Massacre, Obituary, Six Feet Under, Deicide etc.

Swedish Death bands: At the Gates, (early) In Flames, Arch Enemy etc.

Black Metal (I'll mostly be explaining typical Black Metal and Melodic 'Black' Metal; I will leave out subgenres such as 'Suicide' Black Metal as nobody on this forum, bar one or two other people particularly care for Black Metal):

Guitars: Tend to usually be tremelo-picked most of the time. Solo's are very minimal and when used, they're not very spectacular anyway. Not much palm-muting is used either..

Vocals: Generally shreaked/rasped. Not much variation in 'typical' Black Metal bands..

Lyrics: Tend to be based around all things unholy, though some bands like GRAVELAND, VELES, LEGION (Pol) etc sing about National Socialist ideals and bands like (early) CRADLE OF FILTH and SUMMONING (note: I'm not saying these two bands are similar in music..) sing about epic subjects and concepts (for instance, CRADLE OF FILTH dedicated an album to the evil Countess; Erzbet Bathory).

Drumming: Usually an extortionate amount of blastbeats, though some bands play slow, cold forms of Black Metal.

Black Metal bands: Mayhem, Burzum, Satyricon, Mutiilation, Moonblood, Deathspell Omega etc

Melodic 'Black' Metal bands: Cradle of Filth, Dimmu Borgir, Graveworm, Abyssos etc. (note: I hyphened [?] the 'Black' part in Melodic Black Metal, as some fans believe it isn't an actual form of Black Metal [the 'over' use of keyboards and such, to give the music atmosphere..]).

Doom Metal:

Guitars: Either slowly picked crunchyish riffs or slowly picked tremelo riffs are used in Doom bands. Solo's are usually minimal..

Vocals: Well, it depends on what type of Doom it is. If it's Doom-Death, then the vocals are usually growled, but if it's traditional Doom, then the vocals are usually sullenly whined..(though bands like CANDLEMASS or CATHEDRAL are an exception!).

Lyrics: Usually about mourning over loss of life!

Drumming: Entrancing, slow paced drums. Very rarely will you hear blastbeats in this subgenre!

Doom Metal bands: My Dying Bride, (early) Anathema, Katatonia, Thergothon, Dolorian etc.

Also, some bands float between the Doom and Black genre; ie: Forgotten Tomb, Bethlehem, Nortt etc.

Power Metal:

Guitars: Total shred fest! Lots of fast, catchy palm muted guitar parts with insane leads dotted about. Always an over the top solo!

Lyrics: Dragons, knights, kings, valleys, knights slaying dragons in the valleys of kings!

Drumming: Alot of double bass pedal action! Again, very rarely are blastbeats used in this genre, though DRAGONFORCE are an exception!

Power Metal bands: DragonForce, Rhapsody, Blind Guardian, Sonata Arctica, Edguy etc.

Nu Metal: Fuck off....





um, no offence, but who died and made you the worlds foremost authority on all things metal?
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Post by roisin » 20 May 2004, 01:16

Originally posted by wannabee_snail
Originally posted by BrennuvargR
Originally posted by wannabee_snail
i like a bit of opeth everynow and agen


:thumb: Bleak is an amazing song.

drapery falls in my personal favourtie, but i've only heard three or four songs

any advice on sum to download?


Blackwater Park, The Moor, Godheads Lament.

I'm sure others can recommend more than me but I love those songs.
Holy crip he's a crapple!

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Post by Dannnn » 20 May 2004, 13:44

Originally posted by metal_dave
Originally posted by BrennuvargR
OK, this is going to take me a while to write this, so I apologize for any mistakes; I'll correct them if I find any. Here it goes.....

Thrash Metal: Fuck, I don't know how to start out....

Guitars: Riffing is basically palm-muted most of the way through each song. The songs typically follow the simple verse-chorus-verse etc effect (simplicity is effective in the case of Thrash though, very few bands get away with making epic songs [only a few like METALLICA, ANNIHILATOR etc).

Guitar solo's are usually done at a hyper-speed pace and rather technically, whereas some bands like METALLICA tend to (or atleast used to..) write out tuneful solo's, instead of the brutal ones performed by bands like Slayer et al.

Vocals: Usually shouted, though some bands sing and occasionally use the typical Heavy Metal falsetto..

Lyrics: Tend to be about war, death, violence and Metal (haha)! Some Thrash bands like ANTHRAX for instance, incorporate influences from the early Hardcore scenes (note: ANTHRAX'S image and songs like Caught in a Mosh).

Drumming: Drumming in Thrash typically uses alot of doublebass really. Blastbeats aren't particularly common in this form of Metal..

Thrash Metal Bands: Slayer, Metallica, Annihilator, Death Angel, Dark Angel, Exodus, Nuclear Assault, Overkill, Kreator, Sodom, Destruction etc.

Death Metal (I'll mostly be explaining the typical 'American' form of Death Metal as opposed to the Swedish form):

Guitars: Guitars are usually downtuned and most of the time the riffs in each song are tremelo picked with some slow sections of palm muted parts (not to be confused with the Hardcore beatdown). Solo's are basically the same as Thrash (see above)..

Vocals: Usually growled (aka toilet bowls/cookie monster vocals..), but sometimes screamed (aka DEATH, OBITUARY and all of the Swedish bands etc). Rarely will you hear any form of clean vocals in Death Metal...

Lyrics: Tend to be about death, gore and violence, though alot of the Swedish Melodic Death bands sing about world issues, humanity etc.

Drumming: Blastbeats galore! Some of the bands playing the earlier style Death Metal (MASSACRE, for example) tend to use Thrash drumbeats as opposed to blastbeats.

Death Metal bands: Cannibal Corpse, Massacre, Obituary, Six Feet Under, Deicide etc.

Swedish Death bands: At the Gates, (early) In Flames, Arch Enemy etc.

Black Metal (I'll mostly be explaining typical Black Metal and Melodic 'Black' Metal; I will leave out subgenres such as 'Suicide' Black Metal as nobody on this forum, bar one or two other people particularly care for Black Metal):

Guitars: Tend to usually be tremelo-picked most of the time. Solo's are very minimal and when used, they're not very spectacular anyway. Not much palm-muting is used either..

Vocals: Generally shreaked/rasped. Not much variation in 'typical' Black Metal bands..

Lyrics: Tend to be based around all things unholy, though some bands like GRAVELAND, VELES, LEGION (Pol) etc sing about National Socialist ideals and bands like (early) CRADLE OF FILTH and SUMMONING (note: I'm not saying these two bands are similar in music..) sing about epic subjects and concepts (for instance, CRADLE OF FILTH dedicated an album to the evil Countess; Erzbet Bathory).

Drumming: Usually an extortionate amount of blastbeats, though some bands play slow, cold forms of Black Metal.

Black Metal bands: Mayhem, Burzum, Satyricon, Mutiilation, Moonblood, Deathspell Omega etc

Melodic 'Black' Metal bands: Cradle of Filth, Dimmu Borgir, Graveworm, Abyssos etc. (note: I hyphened [?] the 'Black' part in Melodic Black Metal, as some fans believe it isn't an actual form of Black Metal [the 'over' use of keyboards and such, to give the music atmosphere..]).

Doom Metal:

Guitars: Either slowly picked crunchyish riffs or slowly picked tremelo riffs are used in Doom bands. Solo's are usually minimal..

Vocals: Well, it depends on what type of Doom it is. If it's Doom-Death, then the vocals are usually growled, but if it's traditional Doom, then the vocals are usually sullenly whined..(though bands like CANDLEMASS or CATHEDRAL are an exception!).

Lyrics: Usually about mourning over loss of life!

Drumming: Entrancing, slow paced drums. Very rarely will you hear blastbeats in this subgenre!

Doom Metal bands: My Dying Bride, (early) Anathema, Katatonia, Thergothon, Dolorian etc.

Also, some bands float between the Doom and Black genre; ie: Forgotten Tomb, Bethlehem, Nortt etc.

Power Metal:

Guitars: Total shred fest! Lots of fast, catchy palm muted guitar parts with insane leads dotted about. Always an over the top solo!

Lyrics: Dragons, knights, kings, valleys, knights slaying dragons in the valleys of kings!

Drumming: Alot of double bass pedal action! Again, very rarely are blastbeats used in this genre, though DRAGONFORCE are an exception!

Power Metal bands: DragonForce, Rhapsody, Blind Guardian, Sonata Arctica, Edguy etc.

Nu Metal: Fuck off....





um, no offence, but who died and made you the worlds foremost authority on all things metal?


What the fuck? Somebody wanted some Metal definitions, so I wrote some up. Let me see you try to do a better job, you incessant fool.
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Post by metal_dave » 20 May 2004, 18:11

i wouldn't bother, my head's not big enough.


i just find it kind of arrogant that you think you're important enough to 'define' entire musical genres.
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Post by THOM » 20 May 2004, 19:45

it happens....

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Post by MetalMan » 21 May 2004, 00:26

he was only trying to help someone out

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Post by garymcnally » 21 May 2004, 14:45

Yeah I was actually kinda grateful
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Post by Dannnn » 21 May 2004, 20:18

Originally posted by garymcnally
Yeah I was actually kinda grateful


I'm touched :thumb: .
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Post by Dannnn » 21 May 2004, 20:31

Originally posted by metal_dave
i wouldn't bother, my head's not big enough.


i just find it kind of arrogant that you think you're important enough to 'define' entire musical genres.


I don't think I'm 'important' enough to define music genres. I was only trying to help people understand what different genres sound like, 'Metal' Dave (pfft).
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Post by metal_dave » 22 May 2004, 10:19

see, there you go again 'oooh, look at me, look how metal i am, i'm much more metal than anyone else, and i know more about it too......'


i called myself metal_dave because it was the first thing that came into my head, not because i think i'm 'metal'. if i were as 'metal' as you, i'd certainly look a twat.
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Post by Dannnn » 22 May 2004, 13:10

I don't know why you bother, really. Just leave it out, or atleast fucking have a go at me about it in real life instead of on here.
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Post by metal_dave » 22 May 2004, 15:55

if i met you, i probably would.
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Post by Dannnn » 22 May 2004, 17:44

Well I'm in town every Saturday, so feel free to tell me what you think if you ever bump into me aye :thumb: .
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Post by metal_dave » 22 May 2004, 18:00

i work saturdays, more's the pity.
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Post by phillip_banks » 22 May 2004, 18:03

Originally posted by BrennuvargR
Originally posted by Josh (Sylosis)


Think of doom metal like stoner rock...slow grooves n' churning riffs, usually pretty thick dirty guitar sounds n' less heavily produced drums. Check out Crowbar, they be pretty doom n' the same with down but mixed with southern stoner rock too n' good ol' black sabbath n' zepplin influences 8)


I'd say Stoner bands have a distinctly different sound to Doom bands. Cathedral mix the Stoner/Doom sound together rather well.

As for Crowbar, they're definately a Sludge band, as opposed to Doom.



You should keep doom and stoner very, very seperate. For the definition of stoner, listen to Kyuss, for (imo) the definition of doom listem to Electric Wizard.
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Post by Jim Fear » 22 May 2004, 20:31

He may look like a chinese Jason Donovan,but Coop is right with that one :thumb:

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Post by reynolds » 23 May 2004, 20:57

copy and paste master swift.

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Post by Dannnn » 23 May 2004, 22:02

Who, me? I certainly didn't copy & paste.
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Post by THOM » 23 May 2004, 22:05

Don't haste, PASTE!!!!!!

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Post by Da Jeem » 30 Aug 2004, 20:21

'Swedish Death bands: At the Gates, (early) In Flames, Arch Enemy etc.'

way back but i dissagree, in flames and arch enemy certainly arent death, dont ask me what they are, they just aint death
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